God is TRUE - Some proofs!

[Geir]

Hello,

Here is a challenge for you who don't believe in God.

http://en.i3gaz.com/

He revealed the Scripture and put His signature down that He is the author of the Holy Books.

Make sure to check out especially what is written there about metal Iron and Chapter 76, among other things.

Here's an example of what can be read there:

Adding up all verse numbers of the verses that have the word God - Allah in them from Qurans beginning up to chapter 76 named "The Human i.e. Man" gives 181838.

The factors of this number are:
2 x 23 x 59 x 67

i.e. the number divides by human chromosome number 46 perfectly.

The really interesting thing is that (concerning the factors):

2 is the 1st prime number in universe
23 is the 9th prime number in universe
59 is the 17th prime number in universe
67 is the 19th prime number in universe

Adding up all the serial positions of these 4 prime numbers gives nothing else but 46.

Dividing the number 181838 by 46 gives 3953. The 3953rd verse in the Quran (if considered independently from the context) means "It's We who put things at their right places"

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[templeboy]

So extract a few of a practical infinity of numbers that could be associated with the quran, perform a specific series of operations on them from the infinity of possible sequences of operations, there are an infinity of ways you could come up with 46. And you claim that this somehow proves god exists?


You can get similar results from the bible. bible

or worse

Barack Obama is the antichrist- proved

[Tanker]

What's that old saying about 1000 monkies typing on 1000 typewriters eventualy writing shakesphere.

[PipeBox]

Numerology!  Cool!  I was thinking about getting a degree in this stuff, 'cept I couldn't find an accredited school.
Check this out.

23 is the haploid chromosome count, and 2/3 is .666, mark of the beast (because God was talking to the animals when he said "Let us make man in our image," hence why he have hair and skin and stuff, it's the animal signature, their part in God's grandest design), but that's not all.  2 x 3 = 6, and man was created on the 6th day!!  Wanna see God's signature?  Man's number is 6, God's is 7, man under God is 7/6 which gives us 1.1666_ !!  Two things here: 1+1 = 2 invokes the first proof of mathematics, and it's the first prime!  A proof of the signature, which again is 6 unto infinity (also proves man is infinite in duration, so we're bound for hell if we don't repent).

Only the Old and New Testament explain to us the significance of these numbers, taking time to explain the numbers of God and man.  Your numbers are so large that they factor down to anything you want with ease, while mine lack such a benefit.  All are base, because God doesn't need complexity to get our attention.  It's built into His math, which we discovered.  It's built into us.



I could write so much more, but, on the other hand, numerology can eat a dick.  Allah might have considered making an aside where he told us how many solar masses the galactic core was, point blank, or told us the decay rate for argon-40/argon-39.  How about the speed of light, measured in AU, which even the people of the day would have understood even if they didn't know the distance.  Returning a number lots of times?  Please...

[Geir]

Chapter 16 of the Holy Quran is named Al Nahl - اÙ,,Ù†ÙŽÙ'Ø­Ù'Ù,,ِ which means The Bee. The interesting fact is that male honey-bee has 16 chromosomes (that's to say bee haploid chromosome number is 16). In this chapter there are other signs referring to the number 16.

The word Al Nahl (The Bee) appears only one time in the whole Quran in verse 68 of this chapter:

(ÙˆÙŽØ£ÙŽÙˆÙ'Ø­ÙŽÙ‰ رَبُÙ'ÙƒÙŽ إِÙ,,ÙŽÙ‰ اÙ,,Ù†ÙŽÙ'Ø­Ù'Ù,,ِ أَنِ اتَÙ'خِذِي Ù...ِنَ اÙ,,Ù'جِبَاÙ,,ِ بُيُوتًا ÙˆÙŽÙ...ِنَ اÙ,,Ø´ÙŽÙ'جَرِ ÙˆÙŽÙ...ِÙ...ÙŽÙ'ا يَعÙ'رِشُونَ)
"And your Lord revealed to the bee saying: Make hives in the mountains and in the trees and in what they build"

Let's consider these facts:

* Bee chapter number is 16. This number was assigned to this chapter 1430 years ago.

* This verse consists of 16 Arabic letters (repeated excluded). The letters are: ( و، ا، Ø­ØŒ ى، ر، ب، ك، Ù,,ØŒ ن، ت، خ، Ø°ØŒ Ù...ØŒ ج، Ø´ØŒ ع ) Note that Arabic alphabet consists of 28 letters.

* The 16th letter in the verse is the letter Lam Ù,,ِ in ِthe word "The Bee" اÙ,,Ù†ÙŽÙ'Ø­Ù'Ù,,ِ - which is the last letter of this word. In other words, as the word Bee ends 16 letters have passed

* The letter Waw Ùˆ in Arabic is equivalent the word "and" in English. At the time the Quran was revealed it was written separate from following word, thus counting the words of this verse gives 16.

* The total number of verses in this chapter is 128. Verse 128 consists of 8 words and 16 x 8 = 128. The verse states:
إِنَÙ' اÙ,,Ù,,Ù'Ù‡ÙŽ Ù...َعَ اÙ,,ÙŽÙ'ذِينَ اتَÙ'Ù,َواÙ' ÙˆÙŽÙ'اÙ,,ÙŽÙ'ذِينَ هُÙ... Ù...ُÙ'Ø­Ù'سِنُونَ
"Lo! Allah is with those who keep their duty unto Him and those who are doers of good"

* According to one table of assigning letters number values (based on the names of Allah mentioned in Quran) the Arabic word for Bee "Al Nahl" اÙ,,Ù†ÙŽÙ'Ø­Ù'Ù,,ِ gets the value 16.

Chances of the above occurring due to coincidences is:
1 to 114 since Quran has 114 chapters
1 to 16
1 to 54 (number of letters in verse)
1 to 16
1 to 128
(too complicated to calculate probability for letter values)

Chances are:

1 to 201,719,808

 :cool:  :cool:  squared

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[PipeBox]

*moan*

You just bastardized probability beyond belief.  

But that aside, sometimes you count letters.  Sometimes you assign numbers to letters and add those.  Sometimes you count words.  Sometimes you count verses.  Sometimes you take the sum of all the verse numbers.  Sometimes, after doing any of this, you create a factor tree, and then when two of the primes multiply to the number you were after, you call it a win?  The Koran is a big book, and the spin-offs are not light reading, either.  I dread to think what success numerology might see applied to every book in existence.

[Hitsumei]

What I find amazing is that people spend that much time attempting to divine hidden messages from holy books to come up with all of that.

I am more than confident that I could divine messages from my dog in the news paper if I looked hard enough.

[curiosityandthecat]

And now for something completely different.

[McQ]

[Ihateyoumike]

Thanks for the posts OP. Even though I didn't bother to read past about the first 3 lines of your topic before realizing that it would be better for me to just read the replies to your post.

[Geir]

Maybe you know that the Quran has 29, for you surely meaningless, letter initials such as A, L, M and T, H etc. If we figure out how many times each letter of the word "The Human i.e. Man" (Alansn) occurs (is repeated) among these initials and add the letter occurrences up, we get 46 (which is "coincidentally" also human chromosome number)

Here are the letters and their number of occurrences. You can add them up by yourself.

A - 13
L - 13
A - 13
N - 1
S - 5
N - 1

 

[Recusant]

Thank you, Geir; an Islamic evangelist is a refreshing change from the stream of Christian wingnuts who wander through this site.  Not only that, but very few of them have bothered with numerological "proofs," that I recall.  I would not go so far as to say that anything you've presented up till now is in any way convincing, or even novel, but a little variety is always welcome. (Speaking only for myself.)

 I'm restraining myself from raising a glass of beer to your god, but only just.  Water instead:  

[Will]

This thread breaks my heart. One of my best friends, a Muslim who I know to be a very intelligent and free-thinking individual, made similar arguments once. He spoke about how the Qu'ran predicted that there were 7 layers of atmosphere when it mentioned the 7 heavens. There are actually 4 layers: troposphere, stratosphere, mesosphere, and thermosphere. When I demonstrated that he was wrong, he did some incredible mental gymnasticsâ€"the kind I've seen from creationists for yearsâ€"in order to try and convince me that boundaries like the stratopause and mesopause were layers. I insisted that a barrier did not constitute a layer, but he couldn't accept being incorrect on the issue as it had been taught to him since he was a boy. We had to agree to disagree, something I hate, and we've not spoken of it since. I suppose I should simply be grateful that he doesn't have the same view of atheists as his religion. It's fascinating because otherwise he's a very thoughtful and honest individual. He knows more about automotive mechanics than I could ever hope to know. We chat about Lost and Heroes every week. We debate about capitalism vs. socialism. I tell him how delicious bacon tastes. Otherwise we're good friends.

Geir, are you willing to honestly have what you posted here challenged by rational and educated argument, or are you just here to proselytize? If you're here for the former, I request you respond to the challenges posted here. If not, I must ask that you cease.

[Twiddler]

I'm still waiting for the things that prove God.  All I see are some coincidences that came from a giant book.

[pedricero matao]

So extract a few of a practical infinity of numbers that could be associated with the quran, perform a specific series of operations on them from the infinity of possible sequences of operations, there are an infinity of ways you could come up with 46. And you claim that this somehow proves god exists?

I'm still waiting for the things that prove God. All I see are some coincidences that came from a giant book.

Right, this load of ... numbers doesn't actually prove anything. He's neither listening nor trying to engage in a conversation I fear.

By the way, lamest spam attempt ever.